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12 Feb 2014 00:08 #79058
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2830: LAN1 (NAT) cannot see LAN2 (Fixed IPs)... was created by glawrie
I have just got a 2830. The aim is to replace an existing router (not a Draytek) that is on the blink. So I am trying to configure the 2830 to support an existing configuration that we know works. I've got most of the setup sorted I think, but I cannot get LAN1 connections to 'see' LAN2 connected devices. Grateful if someone can let me know what I need to do to complete the setup.
Configuration is as follows.
The old router handles this configuration fine (apart from now being on the blink), so we know it can work. But not yet via the Draytek 2830.
The Time Capsule problem looked very much like a 'Double NAT' type issue. So just to check, we disabled the DHCP on the Time Capsule, put the LAN part into 'Bridge Mode' and connected it to LAN1 (on P1). This worked well: all the clients on the Time Capsule LAN picked up IP addresses from the Draytek "LAN1" NAT'd DHCP server, and all could see the Internet. An improvement over the previous configuration. But we now found that none of the devices on LAN1 could connect to the Server on LAN2.
Devices external to our network were connecting to the fixed IP server without problem. So the issue appears to be one 'internal' to the router. Draytek documentation for 2830 though voluminous was mute on the subject of what might be going on here. So we drew a blank (and so did Draytek premium rate telephone support, who we then called...).
Anyone got any suggestions at all about what might be going on and how to fix? I'm hoping that this is an easy thing to correct.
Thanks in advance for whatever help you can give.
Configuration is as follows.
The old router handles this configuration fine (apart from now being on the blink), so we know it can work. But not yet via the Draytek 2830.
The Time Capsule problem looked very much like a 'Double NAT' type issue. So just to check, we disabled the DHCP on the Time Capsule, put the LAN part into 'Bridge Mode' and connected it to LAN1 (on P1). This worked well: all the clients on the Time Capsule LAN picked up IP addresses from the Draytek "LAN1" NAT'd DHCP server, and all could see the Internet. An improvement over the previous configuration. But we now found that none of the devices on LAN1 could connect to the Server on LAN2.
Devices external to our network were connecting to the fixed IP server without problem. So the issue appears to be one 'internal' to the router. Draytek documentation for 2830 though voluminous was mute on the subject of what might be going on here. So we drew a blank (and so did Draytek premium rate telephone support, who we then called...).
Anyone got any suggestions at all about what might be going on and how to fix? I'm hoping that this is an easy thing to correct.
Thanks in advance for whatever help you can give.
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12 Feb 2014 16:12 #79064
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this is how I get the interlan routing working...
The Data network is using Windows Servers for DHCP and the Phone is using a Mitel (PBX)switch for DHCP
There is also an apple airport extreme onsite and it needs to be in bridge mode and the WAN (internet port) plug into a switch in VLAN0
I am only using LAN1 and Lan2 (VLAN0 and VLAN1)
LAN to LAN policy to pass the traffic in both directions
The Data network is using Windows Servers for DHCP and the Phone is using a Mitel (PBX)switch for DHCP
There is also an apple airport extreme onsite and it needs to be in bridge mode and the WAN (internet port) plug into a switch in VLAN0
I am only using LAN1 and Lan2 (VLAN0 and VLAN1)
LAN to LAN policy to pass the traffic in both directions
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12 Feb 2014 17:21 #79065
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Thanks - helpful.
I think our configuration is pretty much similar to what you have, but we only have on WAN connection.
Can you clarify the final bit of your posting - the enabling LAN to LAN communication. Screengrab looks like it is a setting in your Firewall / Data Filter. Not sure what the settings for this are that provide open pass from LAN1 to LAN2 another look like - in particular I can't work out how to create two different rules to achieve flow in both directions... here is what I see in the Filter Setup panel
Also, on our system (in attempt to get it working) Firewall is disabled, so not sure if I need this rule right now or not (but I guess I will do eventually).
So, can you clarify how you set up the filter rules? Thanks!
I think our configuration is pretty much similar to what you have, but we only have on WAN connection.
Can you clarify the final bit of your posting - the enabling LAN to LAN communication. Screengrab looks like it is a setting in your Firewall / Data Filter. Not sure what the settings for this are that provide open pass from LAN1 to LAN2 another look like - in particular I can't work out how to create two different rules to achieve flow in both directions... here is what I see in the Filter Setup panel
Also, on our system (in attempt to get it working) Firewall is disabled, so not sure if I need this rule right now or not (but I guess I will do eventually).
So, can you clarify how you set up the filter rules? Thanks!
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13 Feb 2014 10:25 #79070
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13 Feb 2014 11:17 #79071
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Thanks for the extra info. I'd missed the "edit" button for setting up the ranges for the filters.
Sadly however adding the rules didn't help.
I've got the router set up to work perfectly with the Fixed IPs on one LAN (either by creating LAN2 with an allocated range, or by using Routed IP settings), and perfectly with default NAT / LAN1 configuration concurrently, except for the fact that the LAN1 connections simply cannot connect to the LAN2 / fixed IP ones.
Draytek email support providing slow and incoherent (and most recently) wrong advice. Draytek paid telephone support no help at all either.
I am not trying to do anything complicated. I simply cannot understand why this simple arrangement cannot be configured on the router.
All very frustrating
Sadly however adding the rules didn't help.
I've got the router set up to work perfectly with the Fixed IPs on one LAN (either by creating LAN2 with an allocated range, or by using Routed IP settings), and perfectly with default NAT / LAN1 configuration concurrently, except
Draytek email support providing slow and incoherent (and most recently) wrong advice. Draytek paid telephone support no help at all either.
I am not trying to do anything complicated. I simply cannot understand why this simple arrangement cannot be configured on the router.
All very frustrating
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13 Feb 2014 12:49 #79074
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try enabling the syslog on the rule and see if they actually list the traffic
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