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03 Oct 2016 11:01 #1
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Curious about VDSL2 frequency blip was created by jedi98
I have an interesting frequency blip on my VDSL2 and I was hoping that somebody might know what on the line would cause that particular shape on the tone graph. I do understand how VDSL frequencies are layed out and what BINs and BITs are but this little blip is a mystery to me. The screenshots shown are from my 2860 and the 2860 we have at our office. Both are served by 80/20 synced VDSL2 lines and are quite close to the cabinet. Both have clean wiring and are filtered at the master.
DSLs both work perfectly but in tracking down other problems I have come across this and it is now bugging me.
My DSL with the 'feature' marked with red: -
![](http://www.jedi98.uk/images/posts/Screenshot_2016-10-03_09-31-37.png)
Office DSL, for comparison, does not exhibit this: -
![](http://www.jedi98.uk/images/posts/Screenshot_2016-10-03_09-32-01.png)
It looks to me that the odd quality problem happens in the portion of the spectrum used for ADSL1 but again I have no idea why.
My DSL wiring goes: CABINET --> 50m straight along under pavement --> Concrete Junction Box ->> 6m straight (continuous) cable to house --> 3m cable to BT Mk3 filtered master --> 2860
Office DSL wiring goes: CABINET --> unknown short length --> 20 pair into building --> 10m CAT5 to BT Master + ADSL Nation hardwired filter --> 2m CAT5 --> patch panel --> 2860
DSLs both work perfectly but in tracking down other problems I have come across this and it is now bugging me.
My DSL with the 'feature' marked with red: -
![](http://www.jedi98.uk/images/posts/Screenshot_2016-10-03_09-31-37.png)
Office DSL, for comparison, does not exhibit this: -
![](http://www.jedi98.uk/images/posts/Screenshot_2016-10-03_09-32-01.png)
It looks to me that the odd quality problem happens in the portion of the spectrum used for ADSL1 but again I have no idea why.
My DSL wiring goes: CABINET --> 50m straight along under pavement --> Concrete Junction Box ->> 6m straight (continuous) cable to house --> 3m cable to BT Mk3 filtered master --> 2860
Office DSL wiring goes: CABINET --> unknown short length --> 20 pair into building --> 10m CAT5 to BT Master + ADSL Nation hardwired filter --> 2m CAT5 --> patch panel --> 2860
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03 Oct 2016 19:47 #2
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Your images are missing so it's hard to say.
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03 Oct 2016 22:36 #3
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Ooops! Sorry everybody on IPv4, so most people. Forgot to send the images to my IPv4 host, should be there now. Bit of a "kick myself in the foot" move that!
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Your images are missing so it's hard to say.AdrianH54 wrote:
Ooops! Sorry everybody on IPv4, so most people. Forgot to send the images to my IPv4 host, should be there now. Bit of a "kick myself in the foot" move that!
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06 Oct 2016 10:59 #4
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My 2860 has the same "blip". No VDSL issues here and like you I'm close to the cabinet (less than 100m)
![](https://s13.postimg.org/ru678lwef/tone_information.png)
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05 Nov 2016 10:33 #5
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I'm not sure, but i think it indicates a 'bridge tap' on the line, where a 'T junction' of twisted pairs has the effect of introducing a high attenuation over a range of frequencies. I don't what frequencies the bin numbers correspond to, though.
I have this effect as well, but my line is so long I don't see anything past bin 600 downstream, and only the first two bars upstream![:( :(](/media/kunena/emoticons/18.png)
I have this effect as well, but my line is so long I don't see anything past bin 600 downstream, and only the first two bars upstream
![:( :(](/media/kunena/emoticons/18.png)
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05 Nov 2016 14:56 #6
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Now that could make some sense. The 2 lines I see this on are residential and in older cabling areas where party lines were common. I think we had a party line back in the 70's, though the fibre connection is on a newish line, who knows what the street cabling does. The 3rd connection, where I do NOT see this is a newer cabling run into a small industrial estate and would have been very unlikely to have anything other than a straight run.
I was also toying with the idea of cross talk from ADSL2 lines close by.
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bridge tap
Now that could make some sense. The 2 lines I see this on are residential and in older cabling areas where party lines were common. I think we had a party line back in the 70's, though the fibre connection is on a newish line, who knows what the street cabling does. The 3rd connection, where I do NOT see this is a newer cabling run into a small industrial estate and would have been very unlikely to have anything other than a straight run.
I was also toying with the idea of cross talk from ADSL2 lines close by.
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