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05 Sep 2008 22:33 #51791
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I'm going to fit a unidirectional antenna to my 2800VG to improve coverage a bit. There's two antenna sockets. One is apparently transmit/receive, and one is receive only.
Which is which ?
Which is which ?
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06 Sep 2008 22:11 #51799
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Really?
It's quite a while since I opened one up but I'm sure they were wired co-phased, both working in unison.
It's quite a while since I opened one up but I'm sure they were wired co-phased, both working in unison.
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06 Sep 2008 23:45 #51800
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I'm going by the Draytek website description - "On a Vigor router with two aerials, the second aerial is for receive only. The main aerial both receives and transmits".
If they ARE just wired in parallel, that will give some interesting and not necessarily useful effects. Two antennas about one and a half wavelengths apart (which they are on the 2800) will produce a directional pattern with deep nulls - which is the opposite to what you want. I've always wondered why two antennas are fitted - for true diversity reception, you'd have them much further apart, I'd have thought. Also one vertical, one horizontal.
I wonder if a more directionally consistent transmission path could be had by actually removing one ?
John
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Really?Lorian wrote:
It's quite a while since I opened one up but I'm sure they were wired co-phased, both working in unison.
I'm going by the Draytek website description - "On a Vigor router with two aerials, the second aerial is for receive only. The main aerial both receives and transmits".
If they ARE just wired in parallel, that will give some interesting and not necessarily useful effects. Two antennas about one and a half wavelengths apart (which they are on the 2800) will produce a directional pattern with deep nulls - which is the opposite to what you want. I've always wondered why two antennas are fitted - for true diversity reception, you'd have them much further apart, I'd have thought. Also one vertical, one horizontal.
I wonder if a more directionally consistent transmission path could be had by actually removing one ?
John
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07 Sep 2008 20:08 #51803
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I always used to have my one horizontal and one vertical, this was quite effective.
Assuming your 2800 is out of warranty it's only a couple of screws to take a look at the wiring, and you can always remove the heat-retaining foam block at the same time.
Assuming your 2800 is out of warranty it's only a couple of screws to take a look at the wiring, and you can always remove the heat-retaining foam block at the same time.
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09 Sep 2008 18:01 #51843
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OK - took it to bits for a look.
Inside is a Mini PCi wireless card (Gigabyte GN-WIAG02), which has an Atheros chipset (I believe). The two aerial sockets appear pretty identical, but the right hand one (J7) looks to have "Aux" printed near it. There IS a difference between the two aerial sockets. The Left hand one - looking from the front, next to the system reset button - definitely provides a better signal strength than the right hand. Both work on their own, but the left is the preferred, apparently.
However - I discovered during a bit of digging on Usenet - the diversity algorithm used to select the antenna, based on received signal strength, is rather clunky. It doesn't cope well with two dissimilar antennas. Therefore - when using a high gain antenna, it would seem to be best to remove the other (low gain) one. Summary - high gain in the left, nothing in the right.
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I always used to have my one horizontal and one vertical, this was quite effective.Lorian wrote:
Assuming your 2800 is out of warranty it's only a couple of screws to take a look at the wiring, and you can always remove the heat-retaining foam block at the same time.
OK - took it to bits for a look.
Inside is a Mini PCi wireless card (Gigabyte GN-WIAG02), which has an Atheros chipset (I believe). The two aerial sockets appear pretty identical, but the right hand one (J7) looks to have "Aux" printed near it. There IS a difference between the two aerial sockets. The Left hand one - looking from the front, next to the system reset button - definitely provides a better signal strength than the right hand. Both work on their own, but the left is the preferred, apparently.
However - I discovered during a bit of digging on Usenet - the diversity algorithm used to select the antenna, based on received signal strength, is rather clunky. It doesn't cope well with two dissimilar antennas. Therefore - when using a high gain antenna, it would seem to be best to remove the other (low gain) one. Summary - high gain in the left, nothing in the right.
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18 Nov 2008 22:08 #52903
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Thanks for this... now the natural question... does anyone know which aerial socket on the 2820 series should be used for a high-gain aerial? It has three aerials!!
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There IS a difference between the two aerial sockets. The Left hand one - looking from the front, next to the system reset button - definitely provides a better signal strength than the right hand. Both work on their own, but the left is the preferred, apparently.livingj2 wrote:
However - I discovered during a bit of digging on Usenet - the diversity algorithm used to select the antenna, based on received signal strength, is rather clunky. It doesn't cope well with two dissimilar antennas. Therefore - when using a high gain antenna, it would seem to be best to remove the other (low gain) one. Summary - high gain in the left, nothing in the right.
Thanks for this... now the natural question... does anyone know which aerial socket on the 2820 series should be used for a high-gain aerial? It has three
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